CCM: Your life, like your brothers, is really involved with those who are broken. What has compelled you to be so integrated with the broken and those on the fringes?
DM: … because that’s where I am. I honestly don’t know how to connect to people who aren’t [broken]. People who say, “I have never once felt disappointed with God,” I don’t know that you need me. I’m not sure that you need the gospel. If life is that wonderful for you—and I really don’t mean it flippantly—I hope it continues, but my experience has been that there’s a whole lot more that say that than experience that.

I read the scriptures and I come up with a picture of what I believe Jesus is supposed to be. One of the things He’s continuously done in my life is destroy those pictures. Every time He breaks my picture [of Him], there’s disappointment because He’s not what I want Him to be, yet by breaking [my picture], he allows me to come to know Him in a more real way. Unfortunately, it feels like in the church we protect God by creating these pictures of Him and then defending them to the place that we never really come to know Him.

One of the ways Rich really impacted me was in his pursuit of really knowing Christ. He looked at who Christ is and he didn’t get rid of the things that didn’t seem to fit together. Rich was twelve years older than me, so growing up with somebody that was doing that in my formative years, really impacted me.

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CCM: How do we get through all the ideas of what is told to us about God and about Jesus to actually discover who really is God and Jesus?
DM: Live honestly. I think living honestly creates a space for God to come in and say, “This is me honestly.” And it’s this terrifying thing …


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Andrew Greer

Andrew Greer is a multiple Dove Award-nominated singer/songwriter, respected author, and co-creator of the innovative Hymns for Hunger tour with Cindy Morgan, raising awareness and resources for hunger relief organizations in hundreds of cities across the country. On tour, Andrew has shared the stage with folks like Amy Grant, Brandon Heath and Andrew Peterson. His songs have been recorded by artists like Jaci Velasquez, Seth & Nirva and Nic Gonzales (of Salvador). And his first book – Transcending Mysteries – co-authored with Ginny Owens, was published by Thomas Nelson in 2015. Andrew is also host of CCM Magazine’s “Features on Film” series, featuring one-on-one conversations with some of music’s biggest artists. For more information visit: or

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